Dave Farber
2018-08-06 01:36:56 UTC
Date: August 6, 2018 at 10:31:31 GMT+9
Subject: Re: [IP] Vint Cerf: Traceability
Hi Dave,
That "differential traceability" concept is not new. I explored the
concept of levels of anonymity and traceability (LEVANT) back in 2004 at
https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/asset_files/TechnicalReport/2004_005_001_60871.pdf
Howard Lipson (â 2016) was also the author of the CERT Track & Trace
special report (2002), on the difficulty of
https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/library/asset-view.cfm?assetid=5831
For IP if you wish.
Sven
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-------------------------------------------Subject: Re: [IP] Vint Cerf: Traceability
Hi Dave,
That "differential traceability" concept is not new. I explored the
concept of levels of anonymity and traceability (LEVANT) back in 2004 at
https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/asset_files/TechnicalReport/2004_005_001_60871.pdf
Howard Lipson (â 2016) was also the author of the CERT Track & Trace
special report (2002), on the difficulty of
https://resources.sei.cmu.edu/library/asset-view.cfm?assetid=5831
For IP if you wish.
Sven
--
Sven Dietrich CUNY John Jay College of Criminal Justice
Associate Professor Department of Mathematics and Computer Science
T: +1-212-393-6839 New York, NY 10019, USA
*Subject: **[ NNSquad ] Vint Cerf: Traceability*
*Date: *August 6, 2018 8:53:53 JST
Vint Cerf: Traceability
https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/8/229771-traceability/fulltext
"This suggests to me that the notion of traceability under
(internationally?) agreed circumstances (that is, differential
traceability) might be a fruitful concept to explore. In most
societies today, it is accepted that we must be identifiable
to appropriate authorities under certain conditions (consider
border crossings, traffic violation stops as examples). While
there are conditions under which apparent anonymity is
desirable and even justifiable (whistle-blowing, for example)
absolute anonymity is actually quite difficult to achieve
(another point made at the Ditchley workshop) and might not be
absolutely desirable given the misbehaviors apparent anonymity
invites. I expect this is a controversial conclusion and I
look forward to subsequent discussion."
- - -
While I have frequently called for greater accountability in key
aspects of Internet operations (in particular, public access to WHOIS
domain data except in limited circumstances), I fear that in the
general case Vint's Traceability proposal would mostly gladden the
hearts of bad governmental players in countries such as China, Russia,
and even here in the USA. It basically amounts to an escrowed identity
system, a concept that has been widely and appropriately criticized in
the encryption arena. Given that a significant degree of anonymity is
crucial for human rights advocates and others who live in areas of the
world that are routinely under government oppression, I do not see
obvious ways that Vint's proposal could be implemented without
innocent parties being even more at the mercy of oppressive
governments than they are today.
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Vint Cerf: Traceability
https://cacm.acm.org/magazines/2018/8/229771-traceability/fulltext
"This suggests to me that the notion of traceability under
(internationally?) agreed circumstances (that is, differential
traceability) might be a fruitful concept to explore. In most
societies today, it is accepted that we must be identifiable
to appropriate authorities under certain conditions (consider
border crossings, traffic violation stops as examples). While
there are conditions under which apparent anonymity is
desirable and even justifiable (whistle-blowing, for example)
absolute anonymity is actually quite difficult to achieve
(another point made at the Ditchley workshop) and might not be
absolutely desirable given the misbehaviors apparent anonymity
invites. I expect this is a controversial conclusion and I
look forward to subsequent discussion."
- - -
While I have frequently called for greater accountability in key
aspects of Internet operations (in particular, public access to WHOIS
domain data except in limited circumstances), I fear that in the
general case Vint's Traceability proposal would mostly gladden the
hearts of bad governmental players in countries such as China, Russia,
and even here in the USA. It basically amounts to an escrowed identity
system, a concept that has been widely and appropriately criticized in
the encryption arena. Given that a significant degree of anonymity is
crucial for human rights advocates and others who live in areas of the
world that are routinely under government oppression, I do not see
obvious ways that Vint's proposal could be implemented without
innocent parties being even more at the mercy of oppressive
governments than they are today.
--Lauren--
Lauren's Blog: https://lauren.vortex.com
Google Issues Mailing List: https://vortex.com/google-issues
Founder: Network Neutrality Squad: https://www.nnsquad.org
PRIVACY Forum: https://www.vortex.com/privacy-info
https://www.pfir.org/pfir-info
Member: ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy
Google+: https://google.com/+LaurenWeinstein
Twitter: https://twitter.com/laurenweinstein
Tel: +1 (818) 225-2800
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