Dave Farber
2018-07-16 00:53:09 UTC
Date: July 16, 2018 at 7:34:13 AM GMT+9
Subject: Re: [IP] The Guardian view on alien life: what if it's not there?
Dear Dave and list,
This seems like a hit piece.The Guardian has less credibility than NASA, and Caltech JPL, even on Earth, much less in the universe. The political engagement of The Guardian is their option, science is not.
Their own results "can vary by 12 or more orders of magnitude" -- which no credible journalist would take as good odds to talk about, any result is highly dubious.
Expect allien life, and intelligence, has been NASA and SETI bet for years, and getting stronger, as we find dipeptides even in the Bubble Nebula, 8.000 light years away. The Guardian is defending ignorance.
Cheers, Ed Gerck
-------------------------------------------Subject: Re: [IP] The Guardian view on alien life: what if it's not there?
Dear Dave and list,
This seems like a hit piece.The Guardian has less credibility than NASA, and Caltech JPL, even on Earth, much less in the universe. The political engagement of The Guardian is their option, science is not.
Their own results "can vary by 12 or more orders of magnitude" -- which no credible journalist would take as good odds to talk about, any result is highly dubious.
Expect allien life, and intelligence, has been NASA and SETI bet for years, and getting stronger, as we find dipeptides even in the Bubble Nebula, 8.000 light years away. The Guardian is defending ignorance.
Cheers, Ed Gerck
Date: July 15, 2018 at 6:39:50 AM GMT+9
Subject: [Dewayne-Net] The Guardian view on alien life: what if it's not there?
The Guardian view on alien life: what if itâs not there?
The universe is so big and full of stars that it seems obvious some must have evolved intelligent life. But it turns out we know so little we canât know whatâs obvious. Quite likely we are alone.
By Editorial Board
Jul 13 2018
<https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/the-guardian-view-on-alien-life-what-if-its-not-there>
Are we alone in the universe? Of all the billions of stars out there, is there none around which intelligent life has arisen, no other conscious beings who have looked at their sky and asked themselves whether there was anyone else out here? All we can know is that we donât know of any others. But that has not stopped more or less well-informed speculation. The universe is so unthinkably enormous and old that it seems almost impossible that only one of the quintillion or so stars in the universe has actually developed intelligent life.
So where are they? So asked the physicist Enrico Fermi in 1950. If other intelligent species are out there, why havenât we seen them yet? The mismatch between what weâd expect from the numbers, which is a universe full of spacefaring civilisations, and what we observe â nothing â is known as the Fermi paradox. Few of the explanations proposed for it are cheering. Perhaps all civilisations advanced enough to develop space travel are also technologically capable of annihilating themselves as well, and perhaps they all do. Perhaps the first culture to develop interstellar travel has already snuffed out all its rival species as they emerge, and is at this moment watching our first tentative explorations of the solar system as a cat might watch a fledgling on the ground. Or perhaps we have simply got the numbers wrong.
This last explanation comes from three Oxford philosophers, whose recently published paper examines the equations that make the Fermi paradox look real. These have to do partly with the number of stars with Earth-like planets in the universe, and, more crucially, with the probabilities of life evolving there, then becoming intelligent, and finally exploring space. None of these are known and we donât yet know enough to make well-informed guesses. So the numbers that are plugged into all seven terms of the equations that estimate the likelihood of other life in the universe can vary by 12 or more orders of magnitude.
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The Guardian view on alien life: what if itâs not there?
The universe is so big and full of stars that it seems obvious some must have evolved intelligent life. But it turns out we know so little we canât know whatâs obvious. Quite likely we are alone.
By Editorial Board
Jul 13 2018
<https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/13/the-guardian-view-on-alien-life-what-if-its-not-there>
Are we alone in the universe? Of all the billions of stars out there, is there none around which intelligent life has arisen, no other conscious beings who have looked at their sky and asked themselves whether there was anyone else out here? All we can know is that we donât know of any others. But that has not stopped more or less well-informed speculation. The universe is so unthinkably enormous and old that it seems almost impossible that only one of the quintillion or so stars in the universe has actually developed intelligent life.
So where are they? So asked the physicist Enrico Fermi in 1950. If other intelligent species are out there, why havenât we seen them yet? The mismatch between what weâd expect from the numbers, which is a universe full of spacefaring civilisations, and what we observe â nothing â is known as the Fermi paradox. Few of the explanations proposed for it are cheering. Perhaps all civilisations advanced enough to develop space travel are also technologically capable of annihilating themselves as well, and perhaps they all do. Perhaps the first culture to develop interstellar travel has already snuffed out all its rival species as they emerge, and is at this moment watching our first tentative explorations of the solar system as a cat might watch a fledgling on the ground. Or perhaps we have simply got the numbers wrong.
This last explanation comes from three Oxford philosophers, whose recently published paper examines the equations that make the Fermi paradox look real. These have to do partly with the number of stars with Earth-like planets in the universe, and, more crucially, with the probabilities of life evolving there, then becoming intelligent, and finally exploring space. None of these are known and we donât yet know enough to make well-informed guesses. So the numbers that are plugged into all seven terms of the equations that estimate the likelihood of other life in the universe can vary by 12 or more orders of magnitude.
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